Tuesday, March 18, 2008

Flight Debate

Hi everyone,

We can post all points supporting your position for this debate on who was the first to fly! Post away!

27 comments:

backflip2396 said...

The wright brothers were the first people to fly. They flew in 1902 in a small glider and Richard Pearse didn't fly till 1903. For proof go to.......
Richard Pearse
http://www.ctie.monash.edu.au/hargrave/pearse1.html
Wright Brothers
http://www.first-to-fly.com/History/Wright%20Story/wright%20story.htm

Nei-Nei Neina-Marie said...

Backflip, I am sorry to say you are RIGHT! It is hard for me to say this, but when I was at the amazing MOTAT (The Museum of Transport and Technology) in Auckland, they had a whole room on Richard Pearse and Richard Pearse HIMSELF said the Wright Brothers Were first. But our teacher said that in those days, people didn't care about poor NZ, they just gabbered on about themselves, awwww, and NZ didn't get a look in. I strongly suspect that The people in America in that time didn't even so much as CARE about Richard (I reckon). Please give me EVIDINCE and PROOF that America cared.
End. Of. Transmition.

Snowy said...

The History of the Airplane
The Wright Brothers - First Flight

In 1899, after Wilbur Wright had written a letter of request to the Smithsonian Institution for information about flight experiments, the Wright Brothers designed their first aircraft: a small, biplane glider flown as a kite to test their solution for controlling the craft by wing warping. Wing warping is a method of arching the wingtips slightly to control the aircraft's rolling motion and balance.

The Wrights spent a great deal of time observing birds in flight. They noticed that birds soared into the wind and that the air flowing over the curved surface of their wings created lift. Birds change the shape of their wings to turn and maneuver. They believed that they could use this technique to obtain roll control by warping, or changing the shape, of a portion of the wing.

Over the next three years, Wilbur and his brother Orville would design a series of gliders which would be flown in both unmanned (as kites) and piloted flights. They read about the works of Cayley, and Langley, and the hang-gliding flights of Otto Lilienthal. They corresponded with Octave Chanute concerning some of their ideas. They recognized that control of the flying aircraft would be the most crucial and hardest problem to solve.

Following a successful glider test, the Wrights built and tested a full-size glider. They selected Kitty Hawk, North Carolina as their test site because of its wind, sand, hilly terrain and remote location.

In 1900, the Wrights successfully tested their new 50-pound biplane glider with its 17-foot wingspan and wing-warping mechanism at Kitty Hawk, in both unmanned and piloted flights. In fact, it was the first piloted glider. Based upon the results, the Wright Brothers planned to refine the controls and landing gear, and build a bigger glider.

In 1901, at Kill Devil Hills, North Carolina, the Wright Brothers flew the largest glider ever flown, with a 22-foot wingspan, a weight of nearly 100 pounds and skids for landing. However, many problems occurred: the wings did not have enough lifting power; forward elevator was not effective in controlling the pitch; and the wing-warping mechanism occasionally caused the airplane to spin out of control. In their disappointment, they predicted that man will probably not fly in their lifetime.

In spite of the problems with their last attempts at flight, the Wrights reviewed their test results and determined that the calculations they had used were not reliable. They decided to build a wind tunnel to test a variety of wing shapes and their effect on lift. Based upon these tests, the inventors had a greater understanding of how an airfoil (wing) works and could calculate with greater accuracy how well a particular wing design would fly. They planned to design a new glider with a 32-foot wingspan and a tail to help stabilize it.

During 1902, the brothers flew numerous test glides using their new glider. Their studies showed that a movable tail would help balance the craft and the Wright Brothers connected a movable tail to the wing-warping wires to coordinate turns. With successful glides to verify their wind tunnel tests, the inventors planned to build a powered aircraft.

After months of studying how propellers work the Wright Brothers designed a motor and a new aircraft sturdy enough to accommodate the motor's weight and vibrations. The craft weighed 700 pounds and came to be known as the Flyer.

The brothers built a movable track to help launch the Flyer. This downhill track would help the aircraft gain enough airspeed to fly. After two attempts to fly this machine, one of which resulted in a minor crash, Orville Wright took the Flyer for a 12-second, sustained flight on December 17, 1903. This was the first successful, powered, piloted flight in history.

In 1904, the first flight lasting more than five minutes took place on November 9. The Flyer II was flown by Wilbur Wright.

In 1908, passenger flight took a turn for the worse when the first fatal air crash occurred on September 17. Orville Wright was piloting the plane. Orville Wright survived the crash, but his passenger, Signal Corps Lieutenant Thomas Selfridge, did not. The Wright Brothers had been allowing passengers to fly with them since May 14, 1908.

In 1909, the U.S. Government bought its first airplane, a Wright Brothers biplane, on July 30. The airplane sold for $25,000 plus a bonus of $5,000 because it exceeded 40 mph.

In 1911, the Wrights' Vin Fiz was the first airplane to cross the United States. The flight took 84 days, stopping 70 times. It crash-landed so many times that little of its original building materials were still on the plane when it arrived in California. The Vin Fiz was named after a grape soda made by the Armour Packing Company.

In 1912, a Wright Brothers plane, the first airplane armed with a machine gun was flown at an airport in College Park, Maryland. The airport had existed since 1909 when the Wright Brothers took their government-purchased airplane there to teach Army officers to fly.

On July 18, 1914, an Aviation Section of the Signal Corps (part of the Army) was established. Its flying unit contained airplanes made by the Wright Brothers as well as some made by their chief competitor, Glenn Curtiss.

That same year, the U.S. Court has decided in favor of the Wright Brothers in a patent suit against Glenn Curtiss. The issue concerned lateral control of aircraft, for which the Wrights maintained they held patents.

Although Curtiss's invention, ailerons (French for "little wing"), was far different from the Wrights' wing-warping mechanism, the Court determined that use of lateral controls by others was "unauthorized" by patent law.

I got this information off this web site...

http://inventors.about.com/library/inventors/bl_wright_brothers.htm

Ulaanbaataaraan said...

I agree with you Backflip, although the Wright Brothers were the first to fly, Richard Pearse was the first to fly a powered plane (not a glider). However, The Wright Brothers broadcasted their success much more broadly than Richard Pearse. That dosen't make Pearse any less successful than the Wright Brothers, even though the Wright Brothers were the first to fly on a glider. I'm with backflip on the Wright Brothers to them flying first, but it was in a glider.....not in a plane powered by an engine, not the wind.

P.S. Neina-marie, Mr. Teehan's class surely cares about Richard, but I'm sorry to say that it's likely that most people in America don't even know he ever existed.
:(


P.P.S. I didn't even know he existed until three days ago. Thanks for letting us know about him.

btbtbtbt said...

Orville Wright was born on August 19, 1871 in Dayton, Ohio and his older brother, Wilbur Wright, was born on April 16, 1867 in a farm near Millville, Indiana. They also had two older brothers and a younger sister. Their father, Milton Wright, was a bishop in the United Brethren Church and their mother, Susan Catherine Wright, was a housewife.

When Orville was seven and Wilbur was eleven, their dad brought home a surprise, partly hidden under his hands. Before the boys could even guess what it was, their father tossed it into the air, and it started to fly. Their fathers told them that it was a toy helicopter. It was invented by a young Frenchman. The helicopter was made out of cork, bamboo, and paper. It was powered by a twisted rubber band attached to twin propellers, the boys were fascinated by the toy and told themselves that one-day they would fly.

While the boys were growing up, they were always tinkering with things. Though they were excellent students and loved to read and write, the brothers could not sit too long. Because they always wanted to get into action and to invent, design, and build new things. The Wright Brothers were also very determined to do things. Orville built kites and sold them to classmates.

The family moved to Richmond, India and back to Dayton, Ohio. It was the same month when Wilbur graduated from high school. So Wilbur didn't receive his diploma and returned to Central high School for further studies in Greek and trigonometry. Their mother died of tuberculosis in 1889. Wilbur have to stay at home and took care of his mother during her long illness, Wilbur was twenty-two then.

In 1888 Orville left high school to start a printing business since his big enthusiasm was printing. Orville didn't receive his diploma either. In the printing business, Orville designed and built another printing press with Wilbur's help. The machine also had a frame made out of scrap parts and fire -wood.
Wilbur and Orville later sold their printing business and opened a bicycle shop to sell and repair bicycles. After a few years, their bicycle shop was a huge success since both brothers were talented mechanics and they could make or repair anything. The money they received from the bicycle shop supported them during their early years of aeronautical experiments.
if you go on
http://www.kyrene.k12.az.us/schools/brisas/sunda/inventor/wright/index.html there is a lot of info on the wright bros

btbtbtbt said...

In a tiny bike shop, two brothers worked very hard, making printing presses, bikes, kites, and gliders. They were the Wright Brothers who invented and built the first flying machine, the airplane.
go on
http://www.kyrene.k12.az.us/schools/brisas/sunda/inventor/wright/index.html
for more info!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

I agree that Richard Pearse was the first man to fly because Richard Pearse built a powered heavier-than-air machine on 31 March 1903,nine months before the Wright brothers.

backflip2396 said...

On http://chrisbrady.itgo.com/pearse/pearse.htm
it says that richard pearse flew the day before April fools day. So mabey some people thought that he was fooling them because nobody saw him do it. Lots of people go proboly went to see the Wright Brothers and the beleived that they were the first people to fly. Then mabey Richard Pearse made a second atempt to fly and people saw him do it this time and they belived him. So all the websites have different info. It is hard to say who flew first, but i think i beleive that Richard Pearse flew first because i don't he was sucussful the first time but he still flew.

Anonymous said...

Richard Pearse's plane was made of bamboo,canvas,wire,and tublar steel.

Anonymous said...

I think that the Wright brothers were the first people to fly in Kitty Hawk North Carolina.

btbtbtbt said...

did you no that- there was 2 bros?

Orville Wright, 1871 to 1948
and
Wilbur Wright, 1867 to 1912
go on this website theres more to explor

http://www.first-to-fly.com/History/Wright%20Story/wright%20story.htm

Anonymous said...

THE WRIGHT BROS. CALLED THEIR PLANE AFLYING MACHINE.

Anonymous said...

THE WRIGHT BROS. CALLED THEIR PLANE AFLYING MACHINE.

Anonymous said...

The Wright Brothers at Kitty Hawk were the first to fly, but Richard Pearse in March 13,1902 he was the first to fly but sence in a isolated island his success was a big failure only to know that he truly was the first man to
fly.

my informaition and proof was from......http://www.ctie.monash.edu.au/hargrave/pearse1.html

Anonymous said...

The wright brothers built there air plain in 1902.When did richard Pearse bult his air plain?lets see who bult theres frist.

Anonymous said...

The wright brothers built there air plain in 1902.When did richard Pearse bult his air plain?lets see who bult theres frist.

Anonymous said...

Wright Brothers made there first circle with a plane on September 20,1904.When they first flew Orville was 33 and Wilbur was 38They both made it in 1902.

~An0nym0usb0b~ said...

Sam S is right!richard pearsse flew about nine months before the Write brothers according to an article i found. for proof, please look at
http://www.first-to-fly.com/History/Wright%20Story/wright%20story.htm
and
http://www.ctie.monash.edu.au/hargrave/pearse1.html

Anonymous said...

Wright Brothers made there first circle with a plane on September 20,1904.When they first flew Orville was 33 and Wilbur was 38They both made it in 1902.

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Kitty Milo said...

everyone is looking on different websites and finding different dates to when they flew but how can we be sure that it is correct? the Internet might not be correct. maybe their was someone who flew before Richard pierce or the wright brothers....probably not but maybe.
they COULD have flew on the same day.

Kitty Milo said...

I agree with ulaanbaattaaran.
richard pierce and the wright brothers both flew. so what does it matter who flew FIRST.
it doesn't make either of them any less successful.

Roo said...

Wow this is a big debate it is hard to know because some things can't be proved because there is so many different answers and how do we know which ones are right. They were both great inventors and I don't think one should be tried to be madde more superior.

Radioactive5ian said...

The fist to fly........

who cares about the exact details!
the truth is uncertain, but you cant really take sides yet because they did different things!!!!!!!

I dont know what to belive, the only way you can be sure is if you ask them.:-)

fred said...

look at this website.... it talks about RICHARD PEARSE was the first to fly
http://www.nzedge.com/heroes/pearse.html

fred said...

the wright brothers were first to fly a glider.... richard pearse was the first to fly a heavier than air plane 8-)3

IM A ROOM5IAN said...

yes, but the question was; who was the first person to fly? just because the wright brothers flew a glider first dosn't make it any less worthy of attention. a glider would have been harder to launch anyway....

also altough they were the first to fly, there were still issues to do with control of the glider.